Showing posts with label Secular Bear Market. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Secular Bear Market. Show all posts

Saturday, January 16, 2010

The limits of un-hedged, long-only investing in a secular bear market

In the comment thread of a previous post ("Welcome to another lost decade"), commenter Brad Castro wrote,

dividend growth investing (in high quality companies), I argue, is immensely superior to simple growth investing, and especially so during secular bear markets.


I offered this response in the comment thread,

I had the same thought five years ago, when I bought shares of PFE, GE, AB, etc. and set them up for dividend reinvestment in an IRA. Take a moment to pull up the five year charts on those stocks.

Any form of un-hedged, long-only investing insufficient in a secular bear market, unless you time your purchases so you make them at or near the secular market low in valuations.


But a chart is worth a thousand words:

Monday, January 11, 2010

"Welcome to another lost decade"

Vitaliy Katsenelson recapitulates his secular range-bound market thesis on GuruFocus today ("Welcome to another Lost Decade"), this time with a slight twist: he thinks a 1990-? Japan-style bear market is also a possibility going forward. As I noted in the comments there, Katsenelson's diagnosis makes sense, but his prescription ("active value investing") seems limited:

why rely on any form of long-only investing -- even his active value investing -- if we are in for possibly another decade like the last one? How did long-only value investing fare in 2000-2002 or 2007-2008? How will it fare when the current cyclical bull rally inevitably leads to another cyclical bear correction?

Monday, October 26, 2009

"S&P 500 Overvalued by 40%, Set to Fall, Smithers Says"

Bloomberg interviews economist Andrew Smithers, who called the correction in 2000. Smithers says U.S. stocks are 40% overvalued according to Shiller's cyclically-adjusted P/E ratio and the Q Ratio. Smithers says quantitative easing by central banks has fueled this asset bubble which won't be sustainable when that QE is reversed (HT: The Atlantic's Daniel Indiviglio).

Sounds reasonable to me.

Saturday, August 22, 2009

Katsenelson's Secular Range-Bound Market Thesis Updated

Below is a presentation of Vitaliy Katsenelson's secular range-bound market thesis, updated as of this month (longtime readers may recall I linked to an earlier version of this last year). It's worth taking a few minutes to scroll through this. I think Katsenelson is right in his diagnosis, and his prescriptions (slide 29) seem reasonable, for the most part, but for me the raise a question: why be net long at all, if we are in a secular bear or range-bound market? Why not be market-neutral1 or even net short?

Avi Presentation

1I'm adding this footnote on 12/30/09. After I wrote the post above, I found a professional investor who had the same idea ten years ago, and has produced some impressive returns since then: Marc Mayor of Inside ALPHA. I found out about Mayor when he joined Short Screen as a premium member earlier this month.

Monday, April 27, 2009

Mark Hulbert Whistles Past the Graveyard

In his column in yesterday's New York Times business section (Strategies: "The Road Back from the '29 Crash Wasn't So Long After All"), Hulbert writes that, although the Dow didn't match its 1929 peak until 1954, investors who bought and held the Dow at its 1929 peak would have been made whole in real terms four and a half years later, thanks to double digit deflation and double digit dividend yields. Of course, today we have a fiat currency and a Federal Reserve committed to fighting deflation, and dividend yields on Dow stocks average in the low single digits, so Hulbert's example doesn't seem terribly apposite.

Saturday, March 7, 2009

Stocks for the (Very) Long Run


From John Authers's column in today's Financial Times ("Long View: Why baby boomers will put their faith in bonds"):

US stocks have now underperformed Treasury bonds since 1969. Very few savers actively putting money away today started much before 1969. Most of them did so during a period when the cult of the equity held sway. For this whole generation, that belief in equities has proved badly misplaced. Various long-term surveys show that there have been very long periods of underperformance by equities in the past.

But we can say that the current sell-off is almost without precedent for its speed. [Research Affiliates' Rob] Arnott’s figures show that as Wall Street opened on Friday it was already dealing with the second biggest six-month decline in its history. The only bigger six-month drop was barely larger, at 51 per cent, at the end of the crash of 1932.

The good news is that 1932 marked the bottom of the great bear market of the 1930s, and that stocks rallied more than 100 per cent in a matter of weeks.

The bad news is that there were still 22 years to go before stocks regained their highs in nominal terms, and 26 years before they regained their highs in real terms, an event that did not happen until 1958.

[...]

All of this could shatter our confidence in stocks as the vehicle for the long run. While the evidence is still unequivocal that they do perform best over the very long term, the periods may be so long that they do not help some people during their lifetimes.


A couple of thoughts on this:

1) The shattering of confidence Authers mentions above, and the associated revulsion toward stocks, explains the multiple compression that Vitaliy Katsenelson wrote occurs during secular range-bound (or bear) markets (see his graphic above, or this post for elaboration on Katsenelson's thesis).

2) This column wouldn't have been a revelation to Benjamin Graham. Unlike the advocates of buy & hold indexing in recent years, Graham was well aware that stocks, broadly speaking, could under-perform for painfully long periods. Graham wrote this on p.12 of the third edition of his Security Analysis, which was published in 1951:

"Prior to 1929, one could say with some logic that the course of common stock prices appeared to be so determinedly upward that the intending holder of high-grade stocks for investment could afford to buy them at any time and to ignore their fluctuations. In the past 20 years there is no longer any clear-cut evidence of an underlying and persistent upward trend in common stocks taken as a whole."


Hence, Graham focused on investment strategies that didn't rely on a secular bull market lifting most stocks1. Incidentally, he didn't know it when he wrote the quote above, but a new secular bull market had already begun when the third edition of Security Analysis was published -- one that would continue for about another 15 years.

The graphic above is from Katsenelson's website.

1Worth remembering though that even Graham took a beating during the Great Crash: According to James Grant, in his introduction to the latest edition of Security Analysis, Graham lost 70% of his money (The Dow dropped 89.5% over the same 1929-1932 period).